Who is God…From a western mind. Cambridge Part 3

Now you have been suitably introduced in the pre-amble notes on the doctrine of God, looking at:

an introduction into how we start to go about thinking about God and then onto how we share in the eternal fellowship of the Father and the Son and a further follow-up article into how we share in the fellowship of the trinity by a classmate of mine on his own blog

I will go on to begin to share with you what we learned and discussed surrounding how the church has approached the study of who God is has throughout it’s 2000 years history both east and west!

England’s gr…red and pleasant land

Patristic & modern western approaches to the doctrine of God

By ‘Western’ we are referring to the modern western understanding of the doctrine of God.

By ‘Patristic’ we are not referring to a place but to a period - the first 5 ‘ish’ centuries of Christian history – that period being the early church both east and west.

“We are not simply to be, homo sapiens (the thinking man), homo faber (the making man) but homo adorans (the worshipping man)” – Don

“The purpose of theology is for us to stand back & look at God and think, wow!”   -  Don

In our natural western outlook we have the urge to jump in and think, ‘what do I do?’.

The (modern) western approach to theology has been one of a systematic nature. This can be traced back to Peter Lombard who wrote the first ‘systematic theology’ in the 1100s and also back to the greatest systematic theologian – Thomas Aquinas in the 1200s.

The classic example of following this framework of yes/no is when we look at limited atonement and how we answer that question.

Our modern way of ‘doing theology’ is based on this format. Our framework for understanding questions is the same.    

Random expensive clock by the side of Corpus Christi College


The Western approach to the doctrine of God

We are looking for a complete picture of who God is, we say God is He who possess all these (specific) attributes.

In the western model the thought process is

1.  This is God
2. How do I know him/how do we relate to him

So we look at sin, his work & our response.

Looking now at the Protestant confessions we are using mentioned in the first post

These confessions were written in a context, they were written with a lot of presumed assumptions. They left a lot of things unsaid since they assumed the reader was fully aware of the ‘things they left unsaid’. The things that they held as true from all church history were not necessary to be said, these documents were written to distinguish the reformed faith that was emerging out of a corrupted church. The problem is that the things they and their readers assumed – we have forgotten!

…and so there is often a danger of paying so much attention to what they say that we forget what was assumed i.e. the agreed “catholic” things that had been held from early Christianity.

Is conversion, all these wonderful doctrines that they recovered, all the things we hold dear from the Reformation grounded and thought of in light of the Doctrine of God (John 13 – 17)?

Do we concentrate on certain issues and lose all proportion. In addition do we emphasise the less weighty things at cost of the less weighty?

Sidney Sussex – A Bastion of Cambridge’s Puritan Heritage

Back to the confessions

It is not just important what you say but the order in which you say it.

An example would be to look and see where the doctrine of election comes in the different confessions, whether it is post-fall or whether it is in the discussion of conversion. In the Westminster Confession it is in the discussion of the doctrine of God.

So we see that the modern western approach to the doctrine of God has grown out of the medieval approach of being based on a set of questions (yes/no) developed by people like Thomas Aquinas and with him was introduced a sort of Christian Aristotelianism.

The ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle saw a bottom up approach, where thinking was based on humanity and so the “Christianised Aristotelianism” which Aquinas developed was to think of “a God of this world” rather than “a world of this God”; meaning a bottom-up approach as opposed to a top-down approach when thinking about God and creation.

In this model God was viewed based on humanity, based on down here, rather than everything being based on who God himself is.

The Round Church. At over 800 years old it is Cambridge’s 2nd oldest building!

Strengths of the Western approach to the doctrine of God

Thorough grounding in scripture
Since the Protestant Reformation there has been a clear dividing line (in theory) of Scripture and Tradition, where Scripture has the first place and tradition is based on the scriptures, there is one source of authority not two.

It is very rigorous (logically consistent)

A clear distinction between God and everything(one) else.



Weaknesses of the Western approach to the doctrine of God

The western approach has the danger of diminishing the individual persons of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).

We see the out working of this in the Augsberg and Belgic confessions. They talk of the ‘essence’ of God. This way of thinking of just an ‘essence’ can cause us to fix our minds on the oneness of God and thereby neglect the three-ness of God.

Another weakness is that there is a risk of being more philosophical than biblical.

Examples are seen when we speak of God as a being of different attributes such as ‘omnipotence’ and ‘omnipresence’ – such words have been taken from Greek philosophy and then we have looked into scripture to justify them. God is all-powerful and is present but we must define what these actually mean biblically.

We say God is omnipotent – all-powerful, that he can do anything. But we must define this correctly biblically. God is able to do anything that is consistent with His power. If you are asked: ‘Can God make a rock that is heavier than He is?’, then you have failed to communicate his ‘all-powerfulness’ correctly.

We must seek to address, ‘How does the Bible describe the ‘all-powerful’ nature of the Lord’

We see in the Bible that where the people need a miracle God provides, we see that His power is demonstrated in doing the seemingly impossible.

Along the river Cam

When talking about God, stay close to scripture and how the Bible talks of God as there is a danger of sliding into a philosophical/abstract God!

P

Back soon!

The Wonders of the Trinity

The Wonders of the Trinity – The Cambridge tales part 2a

 

Before you read it may make sense to read the preamble here: Pre-amble

Here is an amazing post by one of the number of vicars/pastors I met who attended the summer school in Cambridge on the ‘Doctrine of God’ with me last week. Mike really unpacks the first day and in essence the week with Don’s teaching on how we become so intrinsically involved in the fellowship between the Father and the Son once we become Christians.

The truth be told I fell asleep near the end of the first session when much of this was said as I had slept 2 hours the night before and then had the ordeal of walking through Cambridge on the hottest day of the year until I reached my destination.

Suffice it to say I was not in the mindframe of study!
Please read it here  this will really help contextualise things as you read my following posts on the week!

Who is God? The Beginning

Before you read it may make sense to read the short pre-amble here and if you wish to the first post of the series here


Beginning – ‘The upper room discourse’ – John chapters 13 -17


Firstly, with this approach there is a problem and it is that there is not much spoken of God’s pre-creation work. There is just 1 long discussion of it and it links who we are in Him; to Him in His trinity of persons – of His nature before time and this is found in John 13-17.

This is a point where Jesus links His earthly work to his pre-existence, on the eve of the culmination of all redemptive history – his crucifixion.

John 1-12                    – Jesus’s public life
End of chapter 12    - The result. The Gentiles coming to Him and His summary.
13 – the end                – We see no more of His public actions, we see His private ministry with His disciples

And so we have these chapters, which form what we call the ‘upper room discourse’.


The context

The Passover – the central point of Jewish history and identity

The prophets of the Old Testament seem to see this as the shadow of something greater.

This discourse is on the eve of the moment they had been waiting for, we would expect Jesus to be speaking about this greatest of events in the Jewish calendar, but he does not look to the past, but to before creation.

Chapters 13-16 – Jesus talking to the disciples, then onto His own work & finally our response.
Chapter 17 – Jesus’s prayer – summing up all what has been said.

The view from outside my bedroom at Westminster College

John 13:31

‘When he had gone out, Jesus said, “Now is the Son of Man glorified, and God is glorified in him.’

This is a scandal. God glorifying Jesus and himself being glorified in a humiliating death? The crucifixion is the sort of elephant in the room! Surely the Father would shun Jesus many would think – not glory in it!

Hebrew.    Glory = weight, heaviness
Greek.       Glory = praise

We see here from the two languages which the Bible comes to us in the Old and New Testaments that the idea of God’s glory which runs throughout speaks of God as being great and deserving of praise. However the idea of His glory not only conveys to us His greatness & majesty but in many places it conveys the idea of His presence.

Where do we see God’s glory displayed?

The tabernacle
The temple
Exodus – where He leads the people through the desert

In chapters 12 & 13 we hear Jesus saying that it is time for Him to be glorified. God’s glory on the cross is that it is His ultimate act of presence with mankind.

Punting on the River Cam

'Punting' along the River Cam

In John 14 & 15 ff., we see a call for believers to love one another as Jesus loves the Father.

Jesus calls us to obedient love, where we are not his equal and we need to accept Him as Lord. This is a radically difference idea of love in relation to what our society thinks of. In our day love has nothing to do with obedience. The love we are to have towards Him is grounded in a relationship geared towards service. Our love for Jesus is connected to our obedience. The commandments are an opportunity to love!

Jesus tells us that He has obeyed the Father in the same way that we are to obey Him. Obedience is a primary way to love and we are afforded the privilege to share in that relationship that they have. Christian love between ourselves, is to reflect the love of the Son for the Father.

The magnificent Trinity College, Cambridge. The home of Isaac Newton & Prince Charles!

Chapter 17 – The high priestly prayer.

Jesus prays for himself, the disciples and finally for all believers. The concept of glory is seen again as Jesus talks to the Father of the glory with which he shared with him before the world began. He prays this when praying for himself. The very essence of life is to know the infinite, majestic God (verse 3 & 5). Eternal life is not simply about getting through Jesus, this life is in Him!

17:30 ff.

‘We do not get to become God in ways x,y,z…’ but which ways do we become one with God?

The Father and the Son are on in their essence, we do not get to share in this. The way in which we partake with God as he, is in the way the Father and Son relate to one another, we get to share in the love.

The relationship between the Father and the Son is a beautiful eternal thing. It is not ours to become sort of, ‘extra members of the trinity’ however it is ours to share in the relationship between the Father and the Son.


We have a need to unite doctrine, belief and lifestyle. We cannot separate who God is, we cannot think separately about what we affirm as salvation and how we live. We must approach the Christian life based on an attitude found in John 13-17.

This very relationship ought to be the central point of how we approach our Christian journey. The privilege is ours to share in an eternal and perfect relationship with God Himself.

Who is God? – INTRODUCTION

Before you read it may make sense to read the preamble here: Pre-amble

Introduction

There are difference ways to approach the discussion of who God is

  • My personal story      –     A very-postmodern outlook
  • History of theology   -     This is quite dogmatic, a timeline of the church’s understanding of God
  • History of revelation  -   The biblical order
  • From God before history to history itself   –   Thinking of Him as He was before

We are looking at God’s revelatory order throughout the Scriptures (history of revelation)

  • The Old Testament (O.T.), His attributes, His names
  • New Testament: The Trinity

Looking at it this way (revelatory order) causes the problem of not seeing the whole picture/most important part until the end.

And so we will also include the historical theological route – the church’s understanding of God as time has gone on.




The following quotes from our lecturer Don Fairbairn:

“Who God is, what he has done, the nature of salvation and our life are intrinsically connected.”

“God had to be who he is, and do what he did, to give us the salvation we have”

“Not just the cross, not just the incarnation, but before ALL there was God. Everything about Christian life flows from who He is and was before history.”

“All we are must be held together by who God is and was from all eternity.”


The best way to hold what we believe together with what we do is to focus on God.

Not starting at Genesis 1, but starting in John 1. Not where God created, but who God was, He already was before all creation and that is where we must go – before the beginning.

P

Next : “Beginning – ‘The upper room discourse’ – John chapters 13 -17″

To be continued…

What is God? – My time in Cambridge

Last week I attended a summer school run by Christian Heritage, it took place at Westminster College at the University of Cambridge.

The theme was ‘The Doctrine of God’. We looked at a lot of topics relating to how we approach God and how we understand Him as Christians. Our lecturer was Don Fairbairn, a seminary professor from South Carolina, US.



The week was amazing and opened and refreshed me to a lot of profound truths regarding God. We looked at how the church has taken upon itself to look at God throughout history, from the early centuries of Christianity to the medieval period, the Protestant Reformation and up to the present day looking at some confessions and systematic theology textbooks. *

We looked at John 13 – 17 and how this gives us insight into the eternal fellowship the Son has engaged in with the Father, how we share in it (with special reference to Don’s book “Life in the Trinity”). We investigated the Christian doctrine of the Trinity and we studied the different names of God through the Bible and His attributes.


While compiling all my notes (some 50 pages) I thought it would be great to blog them since I tweeted so much about the week while I was there!

It was one of those where “you had to be there” – I am actually missing some notes which I will have to re-copy when the videos come out! However I still hope the notes I do have may be of some benefit to sharing what I was fed with!

Here they are in bitesize chunks – enjoy!


*The confessions we made reference to were the following click on them to get a link to them: Augsbery (Article 1), Belgic (Article 1), 2nd Helvetic (Chapter 3), 39 Articles (Article 1),Westminster (Article 2)

The textbooks referred to were Wayne Grudem’s and Erickson’s Systematic theology textbooks.


P

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